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Archive.is is more like a thread unroll service than an archival service

Posted by jpluimers on 2022/02/14

An interesting take a while ago on [Wayback] Archive.is blog — People often compare various features of…

People often compare various features of archive.is to those of archive.org being mistaken by name similarity (and recently added “save a page” function to archive.org).

This project is different in at least two respects:

  1. We have no goal to save the entire Internet. Only manually submitted pages which may be deleted/altered soon. We are about 100x smaller than archive.org in the storage space (700TB vs. 70PB) and expenses (X,000 $/mo vs. X00,000 $/mo).
  2. The pages are not saved in their network form. Archive.today launches real browsers (not even headless) and tries to load lazy images, unroll folded content, login into accounts if prompted with login form, remove “subscribe our maillist” modals, … So archive.today is not suitable for making notarized or digitally signed snapshots.

It would be more correct to compare it with other thread unrollers.

The RSS feed of blog.archive.today is at blog.archive.today/rss

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xyzzy, Relay Conferencing before IRC even existed

Posted by jpluimers on 2016/11/28

Edit 20260607/20260608/20260719: added more archived links and noted which links have died because of link rot, added 2 relay hosts; moved MIT net-directory links to a new location; fixed Wayback link for CSNET.

A while ago, I remembered [Wayback/Archive] xyzzy by David Bolen: a VAX/VMS program for the BITNET Relay conference system on BITNET/EARN. Yes, relay chat before IRC. Even ELIZA did operate [Wayback/Archive] as a chatbot on BITNET Relay.

I was part of it from the late 80s until the early 90s and vividly remember the chat rooms where at one time you could have smart people from all around the world participating: Asia, Middle East, Europe, North America and other regions.

All people had one thing in common: an enthusiastic vibe as they had immediately recognised what the benefits of near instant feedback were. World Wide before you had the WWW. It was addictive too (:

The most important Dutch relay node was HEARN which was named unlike the HNYKUN patterns at the University in Nijmegen (now Radboud Universiteit, but previously known as Katholieke Universiteit Nijmegen hence the KUN in the HNYKUN pattern).

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